Immigration reform and a national ID card 3 letters
Re: “Biometric ID card has merit,” April 25 editorial.
Your editorial in favor of the proposed national ID card flippantly brushed aside the most potent objections to the proposal. The ID card proposal is the epitome of ill conceived nanny state “logic,” a measure that, if implemented, would punish every citizen of our country for the illegal actions of a few foreigners. There is no guarantee that a “biometric Social Security card,” as it is now being called, would stop illegal immigration, or even significantly affect it. The proponents and opponents of this measure know this.
A national ID card is simply another means, this time a bipartisan one, of expanding state control over citizens’ lives. It does not deserve serious consideration.
This letter was published in the April 30 edition.
The Post is right on about biometric ID cards. The solution to illegal immigration is not border control. It is employment. With foolproof ID cards, we can, or should, clamp down on employers who hire illegals. In which case, why would illegals come, or stay, here?
This letter was published in the April 30 edition.
Your editorial only touches upon the primary issue with illegal immigration, that of securing the border with Mexico. Only about 600 700 miles of barriers have been completed along the border. Until the entire border is secured, there is no point in delving into other issues with respect to illegal immigration.
Securing the border will require building barriers along the entire border and supplying boots on the ground to monitor the barriers. The idiotic failed electronic system from Boeing was never a solution, but rather a half hearted attempt to circumvent real barriers and the associated personnel to go with them.
Real immigration reform starts with border control.
This letter was published in the April 30 edition.
this is ridiculous!!! and u wonder y we r in the situation were in! these politicians r full of crap!!!!! close the damned border and end the debate! mexico borders to the south do not allow Guatemalans in their country. go ask mexico there policy on their southern borders! freakin Hippocrates and liberals r just so ridiculous. i tell u what, lets just succeed all states to there own government and every state can be a lil country of its own. then libs can just have california and arizona and live with there decisions. see how long u like ur happy lil lib life, ,making all ur lib decisions. read the bill people. dont just spew ur views. read the bill. with ur own eyes. get it?????
I think it would help if the DEA actually concentrated on the Drug Cartels in Mexico rather than local growers in Colorado. I don think a card or a wall is the answer. This is a very complex issue. I was in Tucson recently visiting friends and can understand why some of them are concerned. The crime rate there a huge problem. I counted over 20 speed traps or whatever, on route 10 between Las Cruces and Tucson not to mention the 4 times I had to pass through a boarder patrol station. I did notice most of the boarder presence was in New Mexico. Thievery is huge in Tucson much like in Honolulu. One of my friends had her truck stolen in February, never saw it again. It took the police 3 hours to respond. On the other hand, I can see how Latinos are concerned over racial profiling with the Arizona legislation that just passed. There is also the little dilemma concerning the fact that Americans hire illegals. This is one of the many reasons that they are here. I would also be concerned that if we arrest them and send them back that our economy would falter even more In any case, there has got to be a better solution than racial profiling and even more restrictions on American Citizens such as a nation ID card.
As I read the responses to the letters and the letters themselves, I keep coming back to the same question. Best Fake ID websites The question is: why not put pressure on Mexico to develop their country on free market principles so that their people will stay there and work jobs provided by free enterprise? The second question I have is: why don we use the same stringent immigration laws here that they use there? May I ask one more question? here goes: will someone please explain WHY they are against tougher border enforcement, at any cost?
Immigration reform is attempting to solve a fundamental economic problem supply demand. The biometric social security card addresses the problem fairly. If every legitimate (ie. legal) worker posseses something that proves their legitimacy, and it includes a biometric that is secured by a chip inside so it can be stolen or altered like social security cards and other forms of identity documents are today, than you limit the demand for legitimate workers and reduce the supply of illegal immigrants who can no longer fake their way into being a legitimate worker. All of the arguments that the government is trying to control you and track you are just paranoia. Biometric social security cards are a good idea!
The problem to me is one of probabability of success.1) Physical barriers don really work. The Iron Curtain and the Berlin Wall were notoriusly porous. That was with a short distance of a barrier and with East German guards (Berlin Wall) who took their job very seriously.2) The lure of high wages. Why doesn Mexico develop their economy? Mexico economy is the 11th largest in the world. Some of the industrial areas in the DF or Monterey or other areas are modern and very productive. I have friends who have developed software companies and done well, The problem is that it is just not enough. So men will put themselves at great risk, live outside the law, so that they can earn a few dollars to send home and keep their families from starving. The lure of El Norte is irresistible.3) Immigration and border control laws are for checkpoints. Since only a few illegal immigrants enter through established checkpoints they are moot.4) I don think people are against tougher border enforcement at any cost. I think there is considerable debate on how to do it. That is the problem.
So Bleeth according to your logic, illegal immigration is just dandy because it helps keep YOUR costs down?Here are some nasty facts you CHOOSE to ignore:Where illegal immigrants are taking away jobs from legal workers (citizens or not), the wage base goes down most for the low end wage earners, but it impacts the rest of us as well When low end wage earners have no jobs or no jobs that they can make ends meet on (paying for the necessities of life), need for assistance (public and private goes up) and some who are unable to find work opt to go into crime as well, increasing the need for jails/prisons. Should ICE or even police departments be ignoring that fact? Many legal members of the Hispanic community are as upset about illegal immigration and not because they want to overthrow the status quo they want it easier for their families to be able to join them LEGALLY in a timely fashion and know that those family members will be able to earn a piece of the American pie as well and they hate being lumped in with the illegals. Of course, those members of the Hispanic community have attempted to assimilate and although they may attempt maintain their heritage as those of us who emigrated here from other parts of the world have (or did you think Oktoberfest, St. Patrick Day and Chinese New Year were American celebrations just to name 3), while they may invite us to share that heritage, they don force it down our throats. For instance how long would the legal work force have to get their cards (and at what cost), how long would it take all businesses to reverify all their employees (and at what cost), and what do we do about the senior citizens who may not even have a valid drivers license, born at home in a small community where birth registrations were haphazard (that one was courtesy of the nuns in their 80s who had voted every year but were being denied the right to vote because they didn have state issued id), etc just a few that immediately popped into my head when I first saw the Post column. I don know what the answer to the issue is I just know that being concerned about getting rid of illegal immigrants because it might impact the economy when nobody has bothered to investigate the impact the benefits of getting legal workers fully employed at a living wage appalls me!
Where in my post did I ever mention Illegal immigration is just dandy or I believe it keeps MY costs down by keeping them here? I never said any of that. Perhaps you need to take a few breaths and reread my post. Judging by the tone and sarcasm of your letter you have your panties in a wad over illegals in general. I am simply making points offered from both sides as to the pros and cons of the situation.
Obviously you have never felt the sting of being profiled. I have, more than once, and I not even Latino or black for that matter. Just dark enough to cause a stir. Your problem is that you obviously have never put yourself in someone else shoes and looked at both sides of the issue. I hate to break the news to you but there isn just one group of immigrants that have chosen to not speak the language. My grandmother and her siblings still speak broken English and they been here since WW2. You also felt the need to sarcastically remind me that Oktoberfest, St. Patrick day and the Chinese New year are not American Holidays and how kind of these cultures not to force their celebrations down our throats. A little reactionary today aren we?
My mention of hiring illegals was just that. WE HIRE ILLEGALS TO WORK IN THIS COUNTRY, that is a fact. BTW I don support that. I made statements on these blogs concerning how the destruction of unions have slowly impoverished the middle class. The middle class has seen a decline in wages or at best stagnant wages since the Reagan years. I know my grandfather enjoyed a rather prosperous middle class lifestyle before all this happened. Just before he retired his factory was shut down by a mega corporation and he lost 30 years of pension and at 65 years of age was forced to look for another job.
Now flash forward to today where our debts have become a growth industry for Wall Street. Corporate greed dictates that one has to maximize profit regardless of who is hurt. American industry and jobs were relocated overseas where there are no unions and labor is cheap. This country profits mainly from production of drugs (legal and illegal), weapons for war, finance, agribusiness (PROFITABLE ONLY BECAUSE OF LOW COST IMMIGRANT LABOR) and of course the service industries that for the most part provide only minimum wage jobs. Then there is health care where much of the profit goes to a handful of upper level insurance executives. They work hand in hand with the food industry which feeds the masses cheap, buy fake ids unhealthy, processed food that causes obesity, diabetes and heart disease, which in turn feeds the health care industry. Quiet a nice racket, eh?
Now I know you aren going to like what I about to say but I really do feel empathy for people who have to leave their own country because they fear for their lives or can find work. I don think most immigrants, and I talking about our ancestors as well, would choose to leave their country of origin unless they felt they had absolutely no choice. My own family left Europe because of war and poverty. Might you try for just one second to understand why some (not all) of these people choose to cross a desert to enter this country knowing that their chances of survival are slim. Yes, I know this isn the only scenario but I can only imagine how desperate one has to be to even consider such a move. But as I mentioned in my previous post, it because we hire them. You may also ask yourself if YOU are willing to work as a laborer in a field, construction or perhaps a dishwasher if we all of a sudden send everyone back. Again, this is a question that we all need to ask ourselves because, like it or not, it would impact the economy.
My whole point to this rant is that the solution is not a simple one. We must look at the big picture before we get all a fluster and start creating legislation that could prove to be even more of a problem than then one we already have.
Paranoid people like John Osborn are perpetually afraid of SS toops coming out of the shadows and getting them for whatever reason while supporting legislation (Arizona SB1070) that takes away more of our personal freedoms. What an ID card has to do with a state is beyond comprehension, but if anyone thinks a biometric SS card will give the government more information than they already have, they fooling themselves. What exactly is it they afraid of? If you not breaking any law, you don have to worry if you are breaking a law, you should be caught. We need to mandate and improve and continue to improve E Verify so that combined with the new ID cards it will be virtually impossible for anyone in the country illegally to find employment. Severe employer sanctions need to be enforced. We need to update and improve the guest worker program. And we have to do everything in our power to help the rest of the to improve all phases of manufacturing, industry, and education. It pretty easy to understand that a person living in abject poverty with no hope for improvement will seek relief in the nearest possible location. We never defy human nature, but there are steps we can take to maintain order. I like a piece of that action personally guarantee that it will help.
Thanks for a reasoned and pithy response. Point 1 I understand and agree with somewhat. point 2, I been to Monterey twice and have seen more satellite dishes there than anywhere up here. So, why don those with the ability to succeed help the rest of their own country? I believe its because of corruption at all levels. Point 3, true immigrant come through check points. some of the illegals only want to work here and send money home. I used to fill out money orders at a store in MN for guest workers. Point 4, We wasted too much time passing a health care law that most of the country didn want, was too cumbersome, was passed without bipartisan support and through bribes and kick backs instead of passing several small bills and also spending time on the economy and immigration reform.
What do you mean by suspect? That precisely the point. If I a police officer and I don like the way you look, I can demand to see your papers look suspect to me. Note: no mention is made of race or appearance, simply I, as a police officer, don like the way you look. Now, suppose you forgot your briefcase in your car and it late in the evening and I don like the way you look. I demand your papers, you don have them on you; but, you protest, I left them in my house My house, right behind me. And the officer says, papers, please! You can produce them and it off to the stoneylonesome.
An unlikely scenario? Maybe, maybe not.
I see your point and I raise you one. As long as one realizes that its the and not the race, then I will concede. If you read my anecdote about my WHITE, drug running friend, you will see that appearance can be a reason for stopping someone. A scraggly, Fake ID long haired and bearded back woodsman looking man with a canoe crossing into America from Canada would be a good reason to arrest someone by appearance. Seeing a van over stuffed with people would also be a good reason to stop someone because of appearance. However, I not ready to state unequivocally that police will stop brown skinned citizens for no reason. Are you?
Again, no more relevance between your friend and his problems than before.
You just refuse to face the FACTS, sonny. The Arizona Statute IS centered around but, as has been pointed out even in Arizona, at the time of the signing ceremony IS NOT the Centuries old prescription of PROBABLE CAUSE.